BC:  David Shapiro says an interesting thing in his monograph about you.  He contrasts you with the luminous Hudson River School and says you represent the dark side of the American sensibility.  Do you go along with that?

JD:  Yes, absolutely.  That's my pleasure.  That's why I like Scandinavia in the winter time.  I like it when it doesn't get light very much.  I like skiing in the dark; I like walking on a street in Oslo, looking in people's windows and seeing they're not watching television.  I just feel comfortable that way.